I spoke to the wonderful magical being Jesse Cale and it was brilliant. You recognise him from his #SmoothieRevolution or through his work in music; writing and producing as well as touring with people like Vesperteen and Dodie. We spoke about his new publishing company, smoothies and some of his fondest musical moments.
What inspired you to become a musician?
It’s kind of a series of events; my father, mother and brother played guitar and a lot of my friends played instruments as I was growing up. My dad was creative, he loved music and would always play music for me and my brother. But for me to actually get involved it took something special. My Dad would play a lot of rock music and it just hit me as a grey wall, I was just like I don’t really connect with this. But he would also play this artist called Kraftwerk from Germany and it’s these 4 guys and they’re like the pioneers of electronic music. He would play Kraftwerk and this guy Tomita and he would take symphony’s and recreate them with synthesisers. When I heard electronic music as a little boy, you know 2-5 years old, I was like ‘oh it’s round and it’s sharp, but it’s blue and it’s square and it’s green and it’s sparkly and it’s making me feel’. So I connected very heavily with electronic music when I was in the crib. Then I heard an electronic pop song when I was 6 years old, I remember I was in the car and it was one of the most overwhelming feelings I’ve ever experienced, I’m just sitting there and this song comes on and I’m just like [gasps], like totally blown away. I knew I just had to do this, whatever I’m feeling right now through this song, this is what I want to give my life to. So within the year my grandfather helped pay for piano lessons, that was kind of the start of it all, my father’s influence into hearing something that I actually wanted to chase.
So it has really always been music for you?
Well, what’s actually come to light in my life recently is that I realised that before I was a musician I was a storyteller and a story writer, you know I started music when I was 6, so I was a little kid with crayons. But, when I was really, really young, I used to take stacks of paper and cut them in half and staple them and I would make these little books. And obviously, they were garbage, but there was all this imagination, and my Dad when I was really little would tell me and my brother bedtime stories. He would create these rich fantasy worlds and place me and my brother as characters inside of them and our mind’s eye would go crazy picturing these things and that led to storytelling. Actually, what I’m doing right now, I have it open on my computer, is I’m finishing my first book, which is going to come in December.
That’s pretty cool, that’s like super cool!
Storytelling plays into song writing; you know a lot of song writing is storytelling. So I think a storyteller before music, but it all kind of married together.
Who would you say influences you creatively?
Oh my gosh, it’s a little bit of everyone and everything. You know, I’m one of those people who when I fall in love with something or really like something I want to chase it or just take a little piece of it and keep it with me and identify with it. Just because it’s like ‘oh this made me feel this must be important’, but you know if I see a good photograph I can’t just like the photograph and move on; I have to go buy a camera and try and take a good photograph. That’s like when people hear a song and get inspired to make music – it was the same with me. Throughout the history of my life one of the biggest ones was this band Eiffel 65, they were an Italian pop band and they did a song called ‘Blue (Da Ba Dee)’. Do you know it?
Yeah, it definitely sounds familiar.
It’s hilarious, they’re a European electronic pop group and when I first heard them it was like overdrive. This is the coolest thing I’ve ever heard, and then Daft Punk after that and then later lots of ambient influences kind of started to sneak into my life. But gosh, that’s such a hard question, but Skrillex is a big influence for me and Diplo as an electronic artist. As a general creative Amanda Palmer is an influence, but it’s more, I don’t know, life. [Laughs]
It is hard to pin it down. No matter what you do, there’s so many different things and people and artists influencing it.
Yeah, I think it’s really just my inability to restrain falling in love with everything constantly. That’s my biggest influence, kind of my heart unbridled.
Like I can’t just like something, if I do I need to go 100%. If I like an artist I have to have ever album they’ve ever made and I have to know everything about them and I have to have merch and know their life story. It’s not enough to be like ‘oh yeah, I like that music’ I have to know all the crazy facts.
Absolutely, there’s no half-hearted.
No point going half-way, throw yourself into it.
What would be like a dream collaboration for you?
Um, a dream collaboration for me, oh gosh. Give me one second, let me think about this. [Silence] There’s so many, I’ve got personal ones and different genres and things like that. Obviously I’d love to work with Diplo, he’s incredible. But its more vocalists and personalities I’d like to work with, Angel Olsen – she’s incredible. Um, gosh, like Kimbra was one I wanted to work with for a long time, she’s amazing. Grimes, okay, it’s all kind of starting to hit me. Kyary Pamyupamyu, she’s a Japanese artist, Yasutaka Nakada, he’s a Japanese producer, and Grimes – those are three really big ones for me.
That’s a pretty good list.
That would be pretty dreamy.
You mentioned earlier that you were on tour with Dodie and before that you were on tour with Vesperteen, how was that? Did you have fun?
It was crazy. There was this crazy transition period in my life, right before the Vesperteen I got dumped by my girlfriend of 5 years.
That sucks, I’m sorry.
Yeah, I mean it was hard but it was a mature finish. It wasn’t like we fought, our relationship was done. And then when I was on the road with Vesperteen I got robbed.
I saw that on your snapchat.
It was awful, you know, I had my camera, my laptop, a bunch of my handmade clothes and a bunch of personal belongings that I very heavily identified with were stolen. Then the day I got home I got fired from my job.
Oh my god! That’s like the three worst things that could happen all happened at once.
[Laughs] I know and it really took so much to keep my head on straight. Naturally my predisposition is depression, I would describe it as I idle below happy. I am generally sad, but I’m very excitable, so a lot of people perceive me as a very happy person. My happiness is completely authentic, but I feel a lot you know? [Laughs] So when all three of those things happened, it was like having my identity ripped from me. People say ‘who are you?’ You say, ‘Oh I’m a blank and this is my job’, you know and you identify in the way that you look and your relationship – and all those things were taken from me. It was crazy, but I woke up and it was like this odd cleansing. I’m still me, I’m still Jesse, I still love tacos and cats and I still have all these crazy ideas in my head – none of those were taken from me. I still love people. So that cued me up for what the experience was going to be like on tour with Dodie, Tessa, Rusty, Dante and Jon Cozart. The process of being on tour with Vesperteen was great, I love Colin and all those guys and I love Vesperteen as a project, it was so fun getting to go to Texas and getting to meet people that I had been talking to online through Twitter and Snapchat. All these really unique and wonderful people and then after the robbery, seeing the way they came through to love. That was such a special experience on the tour with Vesperteen. But then, bad things kept happening for the week I was home from tour. Like, I had a bunch of car problems and my roommate broke a window and it was just crazy random stuff. I had no time to think about anything before I started my tour with Dodie and it was the best 3 weeks of my entire life, because I had become this kind of blank canvas after being stripped of all that stuff and everybody on that tour was such a sensitive, deep and mature person, we all just meshed. It created this amazing experience, we went to these amazing places. We stayed in a cabin in the woods and stayed up playing guitar and getting deep. Then we went to this old private school turned into a bed and breakfast in Bristol, Connecticut, and we just opened up. We stayed at this farmhouse and worked on poetry. It was unbelievable. And me and Dodie are both ENFP on our Myers Briggs and are both 4’s on our eneagram – our personality test. That was the first time me and her got to really hang out properly, obviously because she lives in London, so that was just so awesome to have those relationships with those people get so deep.
I’ve not been at Uni long, like 2 months and obviously you have to start all over again. I was in my new best friend’s room, I was watching your Snapchat and Dodie came on, she was like ‘that’s my favourite person ever. Who is this?’ And we realised we both love Jesse. So that was cool.
That’s so lovely! Dodie is amazing.
So, will we see you in the UK any time soon? For shows or just to hang out?
Yes, I want to come to the UK so bad. Like I said I’m finishing a book, actually me and Ashley Dun are starting a publishing company together.
Oh that’s so cool!
It’s pretty cool! We’re opening a publishing company. We’re both putting out books together simultaneously and it’s called Secret Midnight Press and we’re planning a book tour. Hopefully we’re going to come and do a few dates in England, France and Germany.
That is so cool. I love both of you, her poetry is amazing and you’re amazing. So, win win.
Oh, thank you! Yeah, she’s an incredible writer. Me and Ashley have been like really, really close friends since we were in middle school. Hopefully that’ll bring us over there and I’m hoping that Colin will book some Vesperteen shows over there. I was supposed to be touring with Emma Blackery, which is another YouTuber, I was supposed to play a few England shows with her two weeks ago. But change of plans, I was on tour with Dodie instead. [Laughs]
That’s alright! We’ll catch you another time. I’m going to be so ready for this now. It’s like when an album’s announced and you have to wait like 3 months before the album is actually released. And you just need it now.
Right? You just want it right now! We’re starting pre-order on the books on Monday. And we’ll hopefully have them to people by Christmas. That’s a little over a month and books will be out.
That’s pretty good. I’m totally going to be saving so much money for this – I need it. You and Ashley are like the dream team.
This is our whole plan, we’re putting out our books but we’re starting a subscription based publishing company. We’re going to have boxes every 3 months that you can get that have a new book and a new theme and each box is inspiration around a season. The one you can buy starting Monday has a sweatshirt that says Late Night Feelers on it, there’s a mug, it’s gunna have the logo of our company on it. Then you’ll have the choice of a coffee or a lavender candle. We’re going to have journals that are all black and have a black logo printed on them, the company is Secret Midnight Press but we’ve called the journals Secret Midnight Place because it’s where we keep all our feeling after dark. We’re going to have custom matchboxes that come with the candles. Bookmarks, buttons, a signed copy of both our books and a $20 gift certificate towards subscribing to our publishing company.
That’s awesome. I am so down for this.
That box, all of that together is like $100, that’s probably like £70. The subscription gets you a box every 3 months. We’re going to have a ton of stuff in each box; stationary, tea cups, jewellery, and more.
You had me at hoodie. I’m not going to lie. I live for sweatshirts.
Heck yeah, it’s gunna be like a black sweatshirt or a really, really dark grey sweatshirt and in black it’ll say LNF on it and ‘Late Night Feelers’ under that.
I will probably never take it off. It sounds like something I’m going to live in.
I’m so pumped.
Same over here – I’m super excited! My mind is blown.
It’ll be super fun, if you go to secretmidnightpress.com right now it’s literally our website with the logo. Oh my gosh! This is my first time going to it on my computer, its glowing and there’s snow blowing around on the page. Do you see it?
That’s so cool! Oh my god.
This is it right now. You are the first person to see that besides me and Ashley and our other partner Chavilah.
I’m blessed. I just died a little inside.
It’s so exciting! I just saw that and freaked out. I love it, I love it.
Christmas present sorted now, this is definitely what I’m asking for.
We’re trying to have the boxes for sale Monday so that people can get them for Christmas.
My Mum gets me to ask this at every interview, what is your favourite app?
My favourite app? Oh my gosh. That’s such a great question. I don’t know. My most used app is Snapchat. I work in digital marketing, I could honestly talk about statistics of Snapchat all day and why I love Snapchat and why as a company I love Snapchat. Gosh. That’s not an interesting enough answer. Snapchat is my most used network but one of the apps that I use a lot besides Snapchat, I have a camera in my room called the Canary. It’s basically like a security camera because all my music things are in here, so when I was on tour I could watch my cat. [Laughs]
My best friend asks the most important question, this decides her opinion on people, so life or death. What is your favourite dessert?
I’ve recently become a very healthy person, hence the Smoothie Revolution and all things smoothie in my life, so my favourite dessert right now is vegan dark chocolate dipped in raw, organic peanut butter. [Laughs] Or I’ll do a honey crisp apple, I dip it in the peanut butter and I just gorge. My Grandmother makes this incredible, incredible fudge sauce that she’d put on Ben and Jerry’s. She lives close to the Ben and Jerry’s factory, so it was really special. Growing up that was one of my favourite things with my grandma; her making her special family fudge sauce. So that’s more of a sentimental dessert.
Do you have any pre-show rituals? Or does that depend on who you’re with?
I’ve been performing since I was really young, I started playing shows when I was like 15 or 14. And I used to get really tired before shows, it was the way my nerves would manifest. I would be at the venue or the bar and I’d start to fall asleep, so I used to find somewhere to just lay down. It’s the worst, I hate it. It’s a really dragging kind of tiredness, but once I’m on stage it’s like somebody lit a fuse that was hooked up to fireworks in my soul, I love it. I usually will start yelling, like when I was on tour with Dodie I would be in a room, I was the opener so I had to hype the show, I’d come and start yelling and get everybody hyped.
That would totally cheer me up and have me ready to go.
Yelling, I always put on my make-up and nose chains and yeah. Doing my blue lipstick and gold eyeliner, putting on my nose chains and yelling probably. [Laughs] Finding a place to lie down.
Some people take this question very literally and some go a little deeper with it. So the question is, what would you like to achieve through your music?
What would I like to achieve? There’s not much personally that I guess I’d like to gain, for me, I’d love to have a comfortable life out of music. But what I would like to achieve out of music is encouraging confidence in people’s self and identity. That’s something I’d really love to achieve, not just through music but in general. A sense of vulnerability and just to lead by example and humility and honesty. Those are all things that have been the most healing to me and have helped me grow and mature as a person. If I can play a role in passing those keys, major key alert, through music I would love that. Because I had to figure these things out on my own. I know a lot of people like to learn and experience things on their own, you can have your parents tell you all day ‘hey, don’t do that’ but then you do it anyways. Then you learn and you think ‘I should have listened’. We all have to get that experience. Just love people, that’s all I want to do.
That’s a good answer. I can get behind this. Any music, you can tell when a musician is in it for the money or is in it to make a difference. Their music either sounds genuine or fake.
Totally. Yeah, it’s weird. It’s really dynamic where people’s music comes from. There are the two spectrums you were just talking about, where it’s fake or genuine, but there’s a whole map of origins of song writing. Like Dodie, she has this very raw honesty and Rusty’s very poetic feeling and Tessa is this very story-telling pop. You know, it’s all just different places because their personalities are so different. So yeah, it’s incredible seeing that with different artists. Then you put on the radio, and not everything on the radio obviously, but there are artists where you’re like you are just a product.
Which is one thing why it is so awesome to champion twenty one pilots, because it is so real. They achieved it, they earned it, they wrote those songs.
I always get surprised by how many people are proper fans of twenty one pilots. Everyone’s a fan, it’s hard not to! Their music is so genuine, it’s hard not to connect with anything they say, it’s like they looked into your soul.
Totally. Tyler is super gifted in the way he communicates. They’re great.
In terms of a song, what do you think is the most important part, the easiest part and the hardest part?
Oh gosh. If I was to approach this from a personal perspective, the important part for me is to finish the song. The hardest part is to say you’re done when you’re done, you can sit there with it and listen to it a thousand times and say does it need more, do the lyric need to change, does it need to be slower or faster. The hardest part of a lot of art, I’m sure you run into this with writing, is saying it’s finished. And the easiest part is saying you’re going to do it.
When you’re buying music do you buy it as a CD, vinyl or digitally?
I’m a big vinyl fan, but only if its life-changing. Albums that have changed me and I associate with my identity, I buy on vinyl. Most stuff I get digitally. There’s one album that I’ve purchased 5 different copies of; I have the CD, live CD, acoustic CD, vinyl and digital.
This one can be a little difficult, some people remember from when they were a child, I can’t even remember yesterday, but what is your earliest musical memory?
Isao Tomita, he would play synthesisers and create symphonies and things like that. My Dad used to get me and my brother and we would lay down on the floor and he would put on ‘Mars, the Bringer Of War’. It was the opener and it had these crazy electronic sounds. That was one of my earliest musical memories.
My Mum used to do something like that! We’d all sit on the floor and she’d play classical music and it’d be like what do you think of when you hear this song.
I can remember further than yesterday! It’s a miracle.
What’s your fondest musical memory? It doesn’t have to be something you’ve done personally, it might be a life-changing show or something.
That’s a great question, I have key moments. Oh shoot, there are songs I just cried when I heard them the first time – ‘Blue (Da Ba Dee)’ by Eiffel 65, which is so embarrassing; if you heard it you’d be like, ‘really, this made you freak out?’ I listened to it like 100 times, I got it on cassette tape and would rewind it and listen to it over and over. I remember, I drove to see the artist I was just talking about where I purchased his album 5 different ways, his name is Jonsi, he’s Icelandic and the lead singer of Sigur Ros. For his solo album, ‘Go’, he came and did a very short tour in the US before coming back for a longer one. The closest show to me was Chicago, which is a 6 hour drive, so I bought the tickets and drove 6 hours by myself and wept the entire show. His music is very orchestral and experimental, structured the way pop songs are with the verse and chorus, but it’s beautiful and very emotional music. There was this whole stage set-up that was supposed to look like a burned down printing shop, so the back looked like all these windows that were cracked and there’s all these projectors everywhere and this ring of keyboards they’d all go to and there’s like a vibraphone and glockenspiel and marimba. They’re all playing all these bells, oh my god it was unbelievable. But his last song, he does this loop and he does this loop and goes [sings] and sings these three notes and the band starts getting louder and louder and louder and there’s all this noise coming in. And the projectors are making it look like all the windows are shattering and that it’s raining and there’s a storm going on. There’s all these lights flashing, and I just remember sitting there and my jaw was literally stuck to my chest. I was just weeping, that was just one of the most incredible moments. I couldn’t speak after that show.
The first time I saw twenty one pilots, I was so stressed out and I queued up 7 hours early. I missed getting near the front, I couldn’t see anything, but it was still so emotional. By the last two songs I was beyond help, the girl next to me thought she had hit me, but I was just pathetically sobbing. You can’t help it, at every show I’ve cried at least twice.
That’s why you keep going back, it’s not because you cry, it’s the root of it. It reminds you of this root place.
Have you ever met an idol and freaked out?
I’m sure that I have. I met a good amount of people that have done very influential things and I’ve had opportunity to work alongside people who have shaped culture in one way or another. It’s always a very humbling experience and it’s always amazing. It doesn’t feel too far off from working with anybody, but there’s this thing in your head when you know it’s really amazing. One thing I did freak out about was meeting Weird Al, he told me he was a fan of mine and that was like an ‘ahh’ moment. I used to produce music for a comedy group on YouTube and he was at my studio in LA and that was a moment when I was like ‘oh my god’. Then Snoop Dog walked in on me, I was just in there making music and my door opens and he just walks in and goes ‘What a do gentleman?’. Me and my friend Nick and Andrew were sitting there, I was like ‘just making beats’ and he was like ‘as you should be’. Then he baps my hand and walks out and I was just like ‘Snoop Dog just walked in on my making music, that’s pretty cool’.
That is really cool! What an awesome story to have.
Ideally in 5 years, where would you like to be?
My head is like a mix between a volcano and a washing machine and a gumball machine, all those things being ideas and emotions. So ever since I was young I have ideas for restaurants, for apps, I have ideas for movies, clothing, food. Like literally, if you were like ‘hey, I want to start something’, I’d have a whole brand built for you already. Basically, I’m hoping that in 5 years I have started down a path where I’m doing each thing one by one. I want to do this book and I want to get it to a place where I have a publishing company that’s doing books and when I write a new book I can just send it and it comes out. From there I’d love to branch out and maybe start a clothing line. It’s not a crazy idea, it’s doable. In 5 years, I’d love to have all these projects actively going, at least some of them. And also have done things that I wanted to do in my 20s, like I want to live in Japan for a little bit, I want to travel a lot more. I love traveling so much, I’ve been to Asia a lot but the closest I’ve been to Europe is Iceland and that’s not okay with me. All my heritages, I’m German, Polish and Italian.
That’s pretty cool. You should definitely try and travel around Europe.
What would be a dream tour for you? Some people go for one or two opening bands, others have gone full festival style. No Rehearsal who you played with in Texas, their dream tour didn’t even have themselves playing.
I could think of something really extravagant or really simple. I would love to have almost like a Warped Tour, you know like it travels as a festival essentially. My dream tour would be something of that spectrum; something massive, very experiential and interactive. Something more than just a one-sided thing, I mean the audience get to interact to the degree where they get to sing-along and watch and stuff like that but I want it to be where there’s opportunities in art and there’s things for them to do when they’re there. I’d love to have where you’ve got a circus style tent over here, and there you have all these strong personality acoustic artists playing and there’s all candles lit everywhere and there are lights hanging from the ceiling, Edison bulbs are all hanging down but everything can somehow change colours so it’s not orange. You’d have all these different artists in there, someone playing grand piano and the next one will come out with an acoustic guitar and they’re talking to the audience and giving them some solid wisdom, but also witty and fun. And then another stage for giant, extravagant, experiential bands; you’d have like Arcade Fire and Sigur Ros playing there. It would look like they’re playing like a ruined castle. They’re playing in the middle of it and somebody’s up on like a broken watchtower and another person is singing from the throne – just crazy. You’d have these big epic bands performing there and then you would have another stage that would look like neon Tokyo city world and you would have all your electronic artists perform there. It would be crazy and people could watch from balconies where it would be glowing neon colours. Besides that there would be places people could go and, almost like a Harry Potter World, you’d have all these things like crazy flavoured drinks. You’d have chocolate chip cookie soda, you know, just something weird like that. Just be a whole fantasy world. That would be my dream tour; taking something like that and just going. Like a travelling circus.
I’d definitely buy tickets for that.
That’d be so amazing and cool. It would be totally impossible, well not impossible but just really expensive to put on. So maybe something like that, or just tour Tokyo playing electronic music with Diplo and Skrillex.
That’s a pretty good mix.
Yeah it would be fun!
I’m not sure what I wanted to say here, but I’ve written twitter, smoothies and poetry, then inspirational. You really are inspirational though, I go on your twitter or Snapchat and it always puts a smile on my face. It makes me genuinely happy. It makes me want to go write poetry and be creative. It’s so motivational.
That makes me so happy, because a lot of times people can post motivational things on Twitter and they can be kind of corny. But it’s all genuine and authentic, like I really want magic for people and want people to be absurd in the way that they self-express and all of that. I’m really grateful for you saying that.
Well, thanks for being so inspirational on twitter and snapchat. Seeing CryBaby LoveWonder everyday, it’s the highlight of my day. He’s so fluffy though I just want to cuddle him.
You know, he’s a rescue, he’s about 4 years old and he lived outdoors for most of his life I’m pretty sure. He’s got some tendencies where he was an indoor cat, but he wasn’t fixed and he’s actually kind of aggressive. He had his male parts for a long time, so he got used to that and when I take them away of course he’s going to be a little aggressive. When I first got him he was sick and I had to get medicine, his hair was all matted to his body and he had these crusties on his face which you can see on a lot of those old photos. Since he’s been eating more regularly he’s gotten a little fat and it’s so cute. He walks with his paws kind of out and he just waddles, he’s my little chubby CryBaby.
My cats a rescue cat, and she is the fattest laziest cat ever. She can’t get from one room to the next without lying down for a nap. I love cats, I wanted a dog but was converted.
I love them too. They can do that, they reach into your heart and change your feelings.
My cat is so not aggressive, you could sit on her and she wouldn’t care – she’s too lazy. She has a sixth sense for when you’re ill and she’ll come and make you feel better.
It’s crazy, cats totally do that. Last night I was so stressed out watching the Election and CryBaby came over and climbed onto my lap and I was like, oh Kitty.
Nothing can go wrong when you’re getting cat cuddles. Nothing else matters, it makes everything okay.
They know they’re magical. They’re the best.
Another thing I’ve written down, is your Golden Record! You got that, like a month ago? What was that that like, it must have been crazy?
Dude, that was insane! The official reaching it was actually a year ago on my birthday. My friend Dante, who was on tour with me and Dodie, worked for Epic Rap Battles of History and called me and was like ‘hey man, congratulations you got a Gold Record’. It took them like a year to get it processed and printed and to send it to me. But it’s a dream. Growing up you have dreams, like I want to be in a signed band, that’s the first dream. Then the dream from that point is I want a Gold Record, or a Platinum Record or a Grammy. And to get a freaking Gold Record – it blew me away. All I could think about is wishing I had a family so I could show my kids and be like, look at what your Dad did. But I don’t have any kids and I’m single so.
You’ve got a lot of stuff going on; music, work, your book, how do you juggle it all?
I don’t even feel like I do. It is definitely juggling. One of the big things I’ve been stressing on myself has been the way that I balance things. Growing up romanticising creativity and so many things like that, I’ll be like ‘I’m not going to sleep for 2 days because I’m an artist so I’m gunna stay up and write’. You do get art out of that but it eventually becomes destructive to your health and your emotional living space, it can be fairly unhealthy. One of the biggest things this year is I don’t let myself stay up late unless I have to get on a plane and I have to get a project done; then I won’t sleep. If that’s not the case, then its balancing my time to exercise and sleep and all of those things. I talked on Snapchat about the way I have introduced things to my life is one step at a time and allowing them to become habits before I add anything else. At the beginning of the year it was just smoothies and because my social patterns had changed I was like, I’m just gunna start posting smoothies on Snapchat everyday. You know, a few hundred people would watch it and that just slowly grew and became my thing. I started waking up and saying I’m gunna have a smoothie and I’m going to eat healthy, and I’m not going to drink and I’m not going to smoke, just because it was things that were hurting me. In no way do I look down on or frown upon those things at all, for me personally they were very destructive because I’m very intense. If I’m going to get a pack of cigarettes, I can’t just have one, I’m going to smoke them all in a day. If I get a bottle of wine, I can’t just have a glass of wine with dinner, I will drink the whole bottle of wine. If I get a pizza, there are no leftovers I’m gunna eat it all. I was an all in type person, so I decided it was all going to be all out. I replaced it and got obsessed with healthy food and juices and smoothies, so I waited until I woke up naturally and said I’m going to have chicken and a smoothie. Then I introduced a new thing, because I didn’t even have to try and do the first step anymore, it was just who I was. Things kind of naturally just started to take place in things I posted on twitter and Snapchat and the ways that I choose to create and projects that I have – I was slowly introducing them and seeing if there’s room for these. It was influenced by the way people have responded to things. If I posted a little inspirational poem and nobody liked it, I’d still put out a poetry book for me – because I love writing poetry -but I wouldn’t put it in the fast lane. I wouldn’t try and have it out in 2 months, because I know that not only am I going to be happy finally doing a project that I’ve been passionate about for a long time. While there’s people there to enjoy it I want to put out the poetry book. So people’s responses definitely influenced what my priorities are creatively.
That’s a smart way to approach it. I like music, so I decide that I’ll skip Uni to go to a show instead. It’s a bad idea, my bank account isn’t too fond of it either.
Yeah, I get that. But, you could be spending your money on worse things.
It must be so expensive though, eating that healthy – it’s cheaper to buy a bottle of coke than water.
It’s really frustrating, it stinks. I put so much money into making my smoothies every day, each smoothie probably costs me like $4 or $5 worth of stuff. But it’s my obsession, you’re talking about buying merch, that’s the way I am with supplements and things like that. There were pineapples on sale the other day – I got 8 pineapples. I looked so dumb carrying 8 pineapples but I didn’t care.
With that many pineapples, what is there to be sad about?
So, what would be your advice to any aspiring musicians or artists of any kind?
My advice is not necessarily to the artist themselves but the people that are around the artist. My advice would be to be patient and be supportive and understanding. Because an artist needs nurturement. I was lucky enough to have family and friends around me that were really excited about what I was doing. Even when I was a kid and my music sucked, they told me I was great. So I kept going.
That’s a good one.
Yeah, and I guess to an artist – it’s not the end. Keep going. Too many points I’ve been like ‘its too late’ or ‘its the end’, but the opportunities kept coming to create.
That’s everything I had written down, is there anything you wanted to talk about or say?
Hmm. I’m so, I feel so lucky and so happy that you wanted to interview me. Thank you so much.
It’s because you’re amazing. I’ve been a fan for a long time and kept putting it off, but I eventually caved. You’re too awesome to not talk to. Go Team Jesse all the way.
Thank you so much. I’m super grateful, that’s so encouraging. Like, when you say things like that it recharges the batteries, you know. Because I’m a very, I’m a Deep Feeling Magic Being and man, Those batteries can run out really quick. I’m sure you know exactly what I’m talking about, so thank you so much. I’m very grateful.
That’s fine, I’m looking forward to getting my hands on those books. I wish you luck with everything you have planned!
This was the most fun I’ve ever had in an interview and my face still hurts from smiling so much. Jesse really is a deep feeling magic being. It was a brilliant time, make sure you go follow Jesse on social media and order yourself a copy of his and Ashley’s books – you will not regret it.
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This interview took place on 10/11/16.
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